sohotrightnow: Rey at sunset ([sw] the call to adventure)
Jules ([personal profile] sohotrightnow) wrote2017-02-08 08:52 am

here's some money, go see a Star War

So, [personal profile] musesfool asked, for today (there are still days open, if you want to ask a question/request my feels on something!), "any general or specific hopes for Star Wars Episode VIII?"


OK let's get the terrible out of the way fist: I'm hoping they find a meaningful way, whether in VIII or IX, to write Leia out. Also, I'm not really all that invested in Kylo Ren one way or the other, but I am invested in Leia, so I'm sad that, since I assume his ~redemption~ arc will conclude in IX, we won't get a Leia-Ben reunion. Although given that Leia never got to make any kind of peace with Anakin, the way Luke did (kind of, at least a little), that may be an appropriate bookend, heartbreaking though it is.

Ughhhhh less depressingly: MOAR REY. I'm feeling pretty optimistic on this score, actually. One of the things I was really pleased about with the Rogue One marketing was how they seemed to take the lesson of TFA (apparently Disney was startled by the demand for Rey merchandise and found themselves facing backlash for not producing much as part of the initial wave), and were not at all shy about making Jyn central to the marketing. In essence, Disney appeared to realize that whatever they may have lost from the neckbeards who boycotted because the ~~~skeletons~~~ had taken over Star Wars (translation: there were a couple of non-white dudes and a white woman in it now, and two of them got to use a lightsaber), they more than made up for from people who were excited about this development.

(Disney is comparable in this regard to Bioware, actually, but that's another story.)

More specifically, I really want some background on Rey -- it's interesting seeing what seems to be a disconnect between male viewers, who were the ones mostly calling Mary Sue on her Force abilities, and female viewers, who IME were more likely to interpret her as having some kind of deeply-buried past training, not just being a magical space princess who became good at it overnight (as opposed to, you know, Luke, or Chosen One Anakin, but that's another story). That's entirely anecdata on my part, however. I don't need them to give me the full details of how she ended up on Jakku, but I hope that we at least get a few more breadcrumbs on the trail.

I generally come down on the side of her being a Skywalker. I've seen arguments for how it could be more meaningful if she weren't, if she were just some random person (and, I assume, survivor of Kylo's turning on Luke), and I buy that. But since the main series is so very much a family saga, I feel like having her turn out to not be a Skywalker makes her more likely to just be there to serve Kylo/Ben's story. I want this trilogy to be at least as much about her and/or Finn as it is Kylo/Ben.

(Also I kind of hope for my own sake that she turns out to be Luke's daughter, because otherwise sry2say I will probably end up shipping it. I mean, no judgment if they are father and daughter and you end up shipping it anyway, but I'm generally not really into incest ships.)

Then I was gonna say "Oh, and more Poe," and then I was gonna add "AND more Finn" so...I JUST REALLY LOVE THE NEW TRIO. To be honest, some scenes with all three of the new trio would be cool -- we got a lot of Finn-Rey and Finn-Poe in TFA, but I'd love to see all three of them together, and/or some Rey-Poe interaction. I definitely enjoyed the Shattered Empire comic and the backstory for Poe's parents, so some little nod to that would be neat, and/or interaction between him and Leia, because according to some supplemental material she was his childhood hero, and we got Leia-Finn and Leia-Poe interactions in TFA, so I'd like to round it out.

Also: MAAAAAAAAAAZ. Another Maz appearance would be A++++++++++.

TL;DR MORE OF EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER???? I just love them all so dang much.

Additionally, it would be cool if we got some stuff about Padme, as well. The Anakin connection was obviously stressed pretty heavily, which makes sense, but I'd love a little more about Padme as part of Luke and Leia/Ben(/Rey)'s heritage. The Leia comic had some really lovely moments on Naboo, where she passes a stained-glass window of past queens on the street and has a vision of one of them turning to look at her, for instance -- just a small detail like that would be great.

More trivally, production-wise, I'd love it if we got some city scenes. The landscapes in TFA are gorgeous, but it'd be cool to mix it up a bit, too.

PHEW, I think that's all I can think of for now. How about you guys? What are you hoping for from ~~~THE LAST JEDI~~~?
musesfool: rey (in the name of the sun)

[personal profile] musesfool 2017-02-08 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I also want/need Rey to be a Skywalker for several reasons, most of which you cover here - that way she's intrinsically tied to the main storyline and not just there to service Kylo Ren's (or Finn's, or Luke's) story, since the main movies now are referred to as the Skywalker saga. But also, why style her to look so much like Shmi Skywalker? Why the desert planet and the mechanical and piloting aptitude?

and yes, Poe-Rey interaction would be great, and also Finn-Luke, and Rey-Leia need to happen! References to Padme would be great, though I would be surprised if they remember she exists.
rebecca_selene: (FernGully - dream)

[personal profile] rebecca_selene 2017-02-08 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I really need to watch TFA again because the first/only time I was so emotionally invested in none of the original characters dying (and then crying for half the movie when, you know...) that I didn't get much of a chance to focus on the new characters. I do love the new trio though and hope the movies focus on them.

I INTENSELY dislike Kylo, and not just because he killed You Know Who. He's fine as a villain as long as they don't woobify him like much of fandom does. He's petty, egotistical, uncontrolled, abusive, murderous, etc. He makes me so uncomfortable, omg. I honestly don't want a redemption arc for him. I don't want him to be presented as just a misguided white rebellious teenage boy who learned his lesson in the end. Just give me Rey, Finn, and Poe triumphing over his evil ass.
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[personal profile] maidenjedi 2017-02-09 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)

I am hoping Rey has a Skywalker connection, too, but I'm pulling for Leia to be her mother. I can't help but read Han's instant attachment to her as father-daughter, and her connection with Leia just....I don't know. There was a theory making the rounds that Rey ending up on Jakku was a kidnapping or happened as a result of Kylo Ren's attack on the Jedi, and that Leia and Han's separation had to do with that. I can almost buy it. I feel certain she is a Skywalker by blood, though, so I'll be satisfied whatever they come up with, except....

I do NOT want the Rey = Reincarnated Midichlorian Anakin. I may walk out if that happens, ngl. That entire theory makes my skin crawl.

More Finn and Poe, yes! More tying in the Resistance to the Rebellion and visual shout-outs to the OT (I want more of the flavor from Rogue One in The Last Jedi, basically).

And definitely, totally agree with you re: Leia. I really want them to find a way to let her go peacefully. Really, really want that.

I would like Luke to satisfactorily explain his disappearance and the timing of his return, or for there to be a bald discussion of it from some source; hell, I'll take Maz doing it. I want to hear Luke acknowledge how he went wrong. I don't know why this is important to me, except to say that hubris is the Jedis' weakness, and I feel like someone should say so. Obi-Wan and Yoda never did.

I really want to know more about the rise of the new Empire, frankly, though I know we won't really get that in movie canon.

Edited 2017-02-09 23:09 (UTC)